When you think about it

[Rancid Crabtree]

The crossbow federation says that because a crossbow has two limbs, a string and launches a fletched shaft that it is the same as a bow and that is should be allowed to participate equally with bows during Bowhunting seasons.

We all know this is a bow.

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And we know this is a bow.

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Both have to be drawn and held by the muscle power of the archer at the time of the shot and in the presence of game. Those two attributes make archery and Bowhunting what it is.

At the same time, we all recognize this as a gun. We can clearly see that this is not a bow. In fact, it's an AR-15 assault rifle.

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So modifying the other end of this gun with this.

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So that you have this.

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does not make it a bow any more than adding an outboard motor to the other end would make it a boat or adding a spinning blade would make it a lawn mower............

It's a modified gun and as such, this gun/bow hybrid has no place in an archery season.

The crossbow lobby insists that it belongs in the woods with bows and bowhunters and as ridicules as that sounds, they did not stop there, Today they demanded that .50 ca. Machine guns be allowed to participate in trap and skeet events because both have a barrel and use gunpowder to fire a projectile.

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They then demanded that Motorcycles be allowed to compete in the Tour De France bicycle race since both have two wheels, a seat, handlebars and carry a rider.

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They insist that Jet skis must be allowed to participate equally with canoes since they both have a hull, seats and both are a watercraft that carries people.

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They demand that chainsaws be allowed to participate in lumberjack competitions against buck-saws since both, Have a handle, a blade with teeth and are for cutting wood.

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And that F-16 jets be allowed to participate equally in Ultra light plane events since both have an engine, wings, cockpit and fly.

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If the Crossbow Federation thinks a crossbow belongs in the same season as bow, then it's understandable that all these other comparisons make sense and that allowing advanced devices to participate equally with their lesser counterparts should be acceptable since they say they are practically the same anyway. They claim that user groups are just being elite and selfish by not allowing similar devices to share equally and participate with lesser equipment but we know better and so do they.

The PSE TAC-15 crossbow pictured above is married to an AR-15 Assault rifle and is for sale right now but crossbow makers are still in the infancy of crossbow design. The bow/gun hybrid of today will only get more sophisticated, powerful and advanced meaning that allowing the crossbow of today into the archery season is also allowing the gun/bow hybrids of the future into the archery season but by then, it will be too late to take these weapons out.

[crowhunter]

Looks to me like there is as much difference between the compound and the long bow as there is between longbow and the crossbow ,if you will notice a gun fire's bullet with powder ,This my first year with a crossbow here in Mi. and I love it .Bud

[mr.mc54]

What about the cams that reduce the draw weight, the new fiber optic sights, the new designs of the limbs, and the amount of speed the modern bow gives you? The anti crossbow hunters are retarded to even compare a modern bow to the long bows of old. A first time bowhunter set up with a modern bow, has just as much an advantage as a crossbow hunter. I used a long bow for twenty years and let me tell you, It takes skill, something that a modern bow does'nt. Why is there such a dividing factor in the archery world today? It was the same infighting when the cam bow was in its infantsy. People ajusted to it and now with the crossbow we have another war so to speak. I had to give up my traditional bow, the ( long bow), which I held as the only archery device I would even think to use, because of health reasons. Does that make me a cheater? I think not! I am just as much a sportsman as any one who dons camo and hunts with any weapon. Get over it people, and enjoy the outdoors together.:tsk::smile-mad:

[Beaver creek hunter]

The rules the state of Wisconsin already have in place are fine. If you are incapable to draw a bow or handicapped in some way then you can hunt with a crossbow. If your over 65 you can hunt with a crossbow.

The advantage a crossbow has is that the shooter doesn't have to move to cock the crossbow at time of kill. A bow has to be drawen at the point of kill which is usually when the chance is best to get picked off. This is the advantage that a crossbow has. No movement.

When my dad turned 65 we bought him a Ten Point brand crossbow. After shooting it with him several times and working on dailing it in I came to the conclusion that a modern day crossbow is inferrer to todays compound bows. I dread the day I have to resort to using one. What a piece of junk. Older guys I know that use crossbows even admit they are not as good as a compound bow.

[mr.mc54]

The rules the state of Wisconsin already have in place are fine. If you are incapable to draw a bow or handicapped in some way then you can hunt with a crossbow. If your over 65 you can hunt with a crossbow.

The advantage a crossbow has is that the shooter doesn't have to move to cock the crossbow at time of kill. A bow has to be drawen at the point of kill which is usually when the chance is best to get picked off. This is the advantage that a crossbow has. No movement.

When my dad turned 65 we bought him a Ten Point brand crossbow. After shooting it with him several times and working on dailing it in I came to the conclusion that a modern day crossbow is inferrer to todays compound bows. I dread the day I have to resort to using one. What a piece of junk. Older guys I know that use crossbows even admit they are not as good as a compound bow.

You are absolutely correct! A crossbow is heavy, and cumbersome at best. When I started to use one because of my disabilities, I thought long and hard about if I could overcome my thoughts that told me I would be cheating some how. Us Disabled hunters and elderly don't want to go this route but are forced to because of the inability to draw a conventional bow. I can speak for myself, I would go back in a second if I could. Any one who thinks its easy, try one.

Good hunting to all!:smile:

[Slam Hunter]

You are correct Mr MC54. Just because people would be using a crossbow they still only can buy 1 archery license. Whether they hunt with a bow or crossbow they will still be hunting the same area, so if they aren't bothering anyone with a bow then why would they bother anyone while using a crossbow. As hunters we need to stick together and fight against the anti-groups not each other.

[Raymond]

I am not from this state, but I agree with the thoughts of hunters staying together. It is a shame that some hunters are so narrow mind that they would rather fight with other hunters.
Thanks,
Raymond

[Tim50]

I am not from this state, but I agree with the thoughts of hunters staying together. It is a shame that some hunters are so narrow mind that they would rather fight with other hunters.
Thanks,
Raymond

True words Raymond! Fighting fellow hunters hurts the hunting community. I am from Pennsylvania. Just checking in to see what type of info the anti crossbow types are posting here. I am glad to see the crossbow supporters rebuffing the cut & paste presentation from the Professional Bowhunters Society a national anti crossbow organization. Good work fellows it dose not take much to see past the anti crossbow agenda! Keep up the good work. Remember 41.2% of Wisconsin archery hunters approve of the crossbow for archery season. It's just a matter of time.

[Rancid Crabtree]

That means 58.8 are opposed to full intrusion. So long as the majority are opposed, that is the right thing to do for the state. :wink:

[robertw]

Why, i,ll bet your bow is hand cut from a white ash,with the string woven from the sinew of the great white buffalo! A purist such as yourself should be in magazine articles across the land extolling the virtues of using only the most basic of tools to gather sustenance .As for anyone with a handicap,or injuries preventing them from using a hand made bow,we no longer have to struggle just to get out into those :great outdoors: , for we have mighty outdoorsmen such as yourself to keep us supplied with fresh game for our tables! Please Sir,might I have a bunnie for the stew pot? :coco: By the way, real original handle there, McMannus would be proud:dizzy:

[Justjosh]

I just spent that entire first post cringing at the words "Assault rifle"


Outdoorsman calling semi auto firearms "Assault Rifles" is a sad thing, as it just furthers the reach that antis have on our firearm rights.

Did not mean to derail the thread whatsoever, the improper use of the term just made it impossible for me to give my full attention to the topic at hand.

[Water_Dog]

Why, i,ll bet your bow is hand cut from a white ash,with the string woven from the sinew of the great white buffalo! A purist such as yourself should be in magazine articles across the land extolling the virtues of using only the most basic of tools to gather sustenance .As for anyone with a handicap,or injuries preventing them from using a hand made bow,we no longer have to struggle just to get out into those :great outdoors: , for we have mighty outdoorsmen such as yourself to keep us supplied with fresh game for our tables! Please Sir,might I have a bunnie for the stew pot? :coco: By the way, real original handle there, McMannus would be proud:dizzy:

You are not far from the truth and you don't even know it.

He in fact does make his own Bows, Arrows, Broadheads, Quivers, Shooting tabs/gloves, Knives and all sorts of other goodies. He has also done more for deer hunting in WI. in the last 5 years than many will do in a life time.

The way the current laws are set up in WI. there is no reason anyone can not enjoy bow hunting be it with a Long bow, Recurve, Compound or an X-Bow. It's a shame what they did to the Muzzleloader season and we don't need the Archery season going down the same path.

Picking on a guys handle seems rather childish don't you think? If you knew him the name kind of fits :biggrin: